I was originally planning to write a post today about St George's Day -- or maybe referring back to the post I wrote about my associations with being English. But -- I'm not any more.
A "postcard porn for my wanderlust" post is overdue, since I have been sending and receiving cards through postcrossing and have a couple I want to upload and write about. This is now being given a new edge, however. When I get new postcards and I scan them in to post here and write about, I also post the images along with my brief comments to the appropriate Facebook group. I've never given it too much thought.
Once, someone commented that they thought it was rude of me to say that I thought a postcard I'd got was a bit disappointing. The disapproval is always for the sake of the potential sender seeing it and being upset, though, and I think the odds are stacked against this ever happening -- people often like to be offended on behalf of others. I accepted at the time that not knowing me or what I'm like would make the comment seem a lot worse than it was, and so deleted anything that would cause offence. And I thought no more about it.
I recently made friends with a Norwegian girl on Facebook, after she commented on a postcard I'd received from Finland. We should all know what I'm like about Norwegian girls, although if she had green eyes or not I never got around to asking. I didn't think too much of it, except we shared common interests -- like photography, and postcards, and she was an Aquarius.
Today, another random user commented on a German card I had posted, explaining to me what it said. I replied, thanking them for their help. Then, the Norwegian girl joined in the conversation. She felt it necessary to wade in with the comment that although she didn't want to have a go at me (or words to that effect, I've deleted the offending remark now so I can't check it) she thought that my comments on the cards I receive were often rude, and it would be unkind to the senders of these cards. She also told me that people don't know what to write on postcards and so it was that commenting about the weather wasn't just a British thing. She ended saying it was postcrossing and not penpals.
Well excuse me all to hell.
It was an honest question the times I have remarked on senders talking about the weather -- I haven't travelled a great deal and can't speak any foreign languages fluently (or much at all beyond "two beers, please") so I was unclear whether it was generally accepted that if you have to make small talk with an Englishman you should mention the weather, or if it was instead a universally-accepted subject. Perhaps some of my remarks may have seemed sarcastic -- like in this post where I remark that the Japanese sender tells me it is Autumn in Japan, which funnily enough it is in England, also.
I do say nice things about imagining this life in Japan so different from my own, but perhaps spoil it by saying I expect the sender is wearing one of those weird facemasks they're fond of in Japan when they have colds.
On browsing through the cards, in just this batch alone it doesn't end there. Here I make a risque reference to "the famous German sense of humour" and go on to mention that the people in the picture look like freaks.
There is also this card, where perhaps it's bad form to say that someone's self-described beautiful city doesn't look all that, or to say the postcard's caption gives me more detail about the city than the sender does.
I can see now how where such remarks should perhaps be confined to my blog, where the senders will never see them. They were intended to be humorous -- though I guess nobody but me ever saw them that way, even here. Although nobody else found them funny, what does that matter? I can say whatever the hell I like! If ever a sender did see one and took offence, I would apologise and explain what I meant. But I don't agree with being offended on behalf of someone else.
I hope that at least my handful of readers here know that if I sound mean or unkind you shouldn't take me seriously -- I love getting these cards in the post (otherwise I wouldn't do it), and I don't think I have ever said anything really offensive. If I say "I'm disappointed by this", then what is that other than my own feelings? Who knew there was so much politics involved. In future, all cards received will be posted here with full and unrestrained comments. But in every other public forum, there will be no comment that is anything more than factual.
And certainly no attempts at humour.
What, exactly, are you like with Norwegian girls?
ReplyDeleteI don't know, maybe I saw the German postcard after you altered the caption you had on it, but I didn't think there was anything rude about it at all, but then again I didn't see the Norwegian girl's comment, so maybe I did see it after you changed something. Or maybe I didn't notice... I thought the German girl who translated it was very helpful though. Look at you, causing international incidents with foreign girls.
I like the bear postcard though.
You're probably right... if you're posting it to a public group, it's easier to stick to purely factual comments rather than try to unoffend someone. Perhaps there *is* a language thing going on there- someone who isn't English, or at the very least speaks English as a first language, may miss the sarcasm.
I think I'll just stick to postcards from people I know. And making comments on the weather to all English boys I send postcards to, since that seems to go down well ;)
Here I make the reference to the "famous German sense of humour" and go on to mention they look like freaks
ReplyDeletesomeon's self-described city doesn't look all that
heh, Jay I love you but those examples do sound abominably rude. At best, it sounds mocking, at worst, it sounds like you're a bit of an asshole who does appreciate anything :)
And, as well as that, you're posting these comments where the sender can actually see them??
Oh dear.
Re the weather - that's standard "I don't really know you" topic. Completely universal :)
Another example of how a sarcastic comment can't be vitiated by facial gestures... that's a huge disadvantage with blogging with words or even just commenting. Oftentimes the reader will imbue the comment with a tone you had not intended.
ReplyDelete(And this is one of the reasons why I have so few friends on facebook and myspace and in blogworld - people who know me already expect I'm going to say something appalling and are, therefore, unsurprised when this transpires...)
I often say things about Germans, but my dad's German, so I feel entitled.
Lastly, re: the weather - well, maybe you missed your calling and something in you just screams out Weather Man? (like Rob Mckenna the Rain God!)
was gonna ask the same thing about norwegian girls.
ReplyDeletefrankly, hard to relate. it's been many, many, many years since i first send anything by post.
very romantic.
Amanda: The German card that the person kindly translated for me didn't say anything I thought could be construed as impolite, but there was originally a sentence about how they had mentioned the weather and I wondered if it was only for my benefit. But yes, I've caused a diplomatic incident now and probably reinforced the impression that the English are rude and aloof.
ReplyDeleteDune: You know what an ungrateful asshole I am about everything! And although the comments were posted in a place were in theory the senders *could* see them, I think the chances of it happening were slim. They first had to be on Facebook, be members of the group, be active enough to bother to look at posted pictures, and out of the 500+ on there to see their own. I thought it was safe, but now I'll err on the side of caution and keep them private to where people know me.
Aurore: I think the trouble is both people bringing a tone to the comments I didn't intend, and being unable to know the tone I did intend. I don't think I was saying anything bad about the Germans, they are known across the globe for their unique approach to humour, it isn't like I mentioned the war or anything. Who's Rob McKenna? The name sounds familiar.
Treespotter: You of all people have been reading my blog long enough to remember my previous hunts for green-eyed Norwegian girls. What, don't you take notes for later reference? Shame on you. Would you like me to send you a postcard?
was hoping that you would re-elaborate. The world can't have enough of green eyed norwegian babes, no?
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